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Mambawaba- 01-11-2008
oritented script
Hi, I was just having some fun playing with this last night, i guess I've seen something like this before but can't remember where(please let me know if you do.) Hope you get it, each letter has a main orientation stroke and you position the next one referencing the vowel axis(top left corner of the image) aligning it with the last letter to get the next one with the corresponding vowel. The first letter of the word always uses the upward arrow as reference. It is also intensionally confusing that most consonants only differentiate by the position(left/right) of the stroke mark variations. i adapted it for Japanese because is a very (CV) language and it was easier to work with, just that. I wanted to make a script that would result in weird/different shapes for the words, in an "artistic/experimental" way, more than anything deeper.. Hope you like it.

Tolkien_Freak- 01-11-2008

That's cool! I'd like to see a longer example.

Sano- 01-11-2008

It's an extremely intriguing idea, however, I think there is an issue with the word recognition; syllable order. When I look at "suika" how do I know that it is su-i-ka, and not i-su-ka, ka-i-su, i-ka-su, su-ka-i or ka-su-i? That is the first and only issue I can really make out.

Mambawaba- 01-11-2008

Tolkien_Freak, thanks!, ill post a larger one when i finish a complete sentence at least. Sano, its easy, but not to explain.. i'll try. Each character has a direction, so on the example posted they are all oriented right, thats an "o" version of each character(in the starting position). Like they have a beginning and an end, and all characters start with a line and then have a variation at the end. In each one of them you can see that clearly. So the word always starts with a line, from the beginning of the first character and flows from then on, and ends with the ending variation of the last character. This way you know where the word begins, and then the middle characters are in sequence until the end of the word so you would not get lost.

Sano- 01-11-2008

So the word always starts with a line, from the beginning of the first character and flows from then on, and ends with the ending variation of the last character. After reading this response and a closer inspection of the sample/chart, I see that you may mean the glyphs are read from top to bottom, i.e. vertically...however, the issue still remains for the glyph I mentioned. From top to bottom, the syllables go in order from i to ke (I've noticed it's ke and not ka) to su, so it would be ikesu, and not suika...and if read left to right horizontally it reads ke to i to su, and right to left horizontally it reads su to i to ke, so...how is it meant to be read? It definitely doesn't seem consistent when all of the glyphs are examined.

Hakaku- 01-11-2008

I tried to follow the pattern, understood it, but failed to read your examples. Are there rules you didn't mention, because my results are different from yours : Take your "arigato" example : If the first character is supposed to indicate the basis of the orientation for other characters, it doesn't seem to work with this word at least. - The script looks promising however.

Mambawaba- 01-12-2008

Hi, Its great to see that you are interested! Thank you! My English is so bad that i better use images to explain. Sorry if it is too many images, but i really hope it will help me to better explain it than me writing. here you can see that the characters have a start and an end point. And that is always the same independently of the rotation. here explains that you can only link a next character to the last character's end. And the direction of the next character is defined by the axis that is oriented with the flow of the last character. here is the flow for "suika" the word starts on the starting point of the first character, the only "free" character's starting point. arigato is a more complex one and you can see how the axis works. hope its clear how it works now, any question just ask! cheers.

Sano- 01-13-2008

Well... I do think you've succeeded in your attempt to explain, I do, however, feel as though your explanation actually shows the impracticality of your script. It seems that the reader would almost have to memorize each individual glyph instead of reading the individual syllables, mainly because of the incredibly high number of possible twist and turns each syllable would have. I think the one aspect of this script that makes it so incredibly unique is also the only real downfall.

Mambawaba- 01-14-2008

Sano, i didnt make it to be very functional it's true, but if someone learned that as a natural stript i dont think it would be much more complex than chinese for example. Even if people would have to memorize each glyph, you kind of do that even in latin alphabet, thats why you can read faster. And if you started learning with this script as a kid it would make your brain much more capable of distinguish inclinations, orientations and left and right depending of direction and stuff like that, i guess it would develop different parts of the brain for a kid that for someone older it would be a pain to learn.

Sano- 01-14-2008

Sano, i didnt make it to be very functional it's true, but if someone learned that as a natural stript i dont think it would be much more complex than chinese for example. Even if people would have to memorize each glyph, you kind of do that even in latin alphabet, thats why you can read faster. And if you started learning with this script as a kid it would make your brain much more capable of distinguish inclinations, orientations and left and right depending of direction and stuff like that, i guess it would develop different parts of the brain for a kid that for someone older it would be a pain to learn. I agree with your assertion to point and I think you do have a nice script here...perhaps with a little tweaking you could really have something worth it's weight in calligraphy. ;)

Mambawaba- 01-14-2008

Well, not that i don't want it, got to get some time, thanks.

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