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Alonocus- 08-14-2008

There's nothing I can do about it, I already named the diacritic "the flag" and that means it won't disappear ever. It's a feature, even if it weren't original. I doubt you've set your conlang in concrete, so feel free to change it. Call it an evolution of the written script through time, or a more popular regional variant. There are ways and means.

kyonides- 08-14-2008

Actually it has a historical background since the Kexyana term for flag is Kexye, notice that it begins with letter k, and the language itself is named after the flag, the true one. They stopped using the original word for flag after someone tried to fool them by accepting a strange flag as their own without telling them that it belonged to an Empire. This guy was called the "imitator" (Kexieŕe) just after they found out what his true intentions were back then. If you take a look at the term for imitator, you'll notice that it was influenced by the same event that took place there. The main issue was that the Alirdysnam believed the Imperial flag would have forced them to annex their land to the Empire according to the weird stipulations of their covenant. Some of the Alirdysnam still think it was a trap set by some of the the "counts" that fought against the new king and his allies. Edit: Actually the "syllable" for ke in the Kexyana script should be the ko glyph one, I guess.

kyonides- 08-15-2008

I replaced the second image and now it shows you more characters or glyphs. There are 4 consonants and 6 variations with diacritics. And no, the "flag", squiggle or whatever you may call it, is still there. The glyph Ke is also the first "syllable" of the term Kexye, flag, as you can see on the third image.

Dauyn- 08-15-2008

Um... you DID create this, didn't you? You can do whatever you like, including making the "flag" look different. If you don't want to because you like it, fine, but it's a little obnoxious, disingenuous, and outright oblivious to say you CAN'T ever change anything. Especially when it comes to conlangs, the vast majority of which are always in a state of flux.

Neqitan- 08-15-2008

Especially when it comes to conlangs, the vast majority of which are always in a state of flux. All languages are in a state of flux, unless dead. :D And yes, the conlang looks better now. Anyways, have fun!

kyonides- 08-15-2008

As I said, that won't ever change, even if it's disliked that much by conworlders here. I don't care if you consider it disingenuous, I mean, I appreciate your interest but it doesn't mean I'll do what other people suggest just because they did so. I do believe ethnic groups always have features that other people would find obnoxious, but it's no reason why they would change it. Go and ask the Russians to stop playing chess and they'll just laugh at you. C'est la vie. (I hope that was the correct French idiom...) By the way, people also criticized that my conlang only has regular verbs. Did I change my conlang since then? The answer is no, I didn't. Did they ask why I couldn't do it? No, they didn't. They should ask about the historical background of my conlang, but they never did that ever.

Dauyn- 08-15-2008

Especially when it comes to conlangs, the vast majority of which are always in a state of flux. All languages are in a state of flux, unless dead. :D Oh sure, get all technical on me... :) Conlang flux is at a MUCH more accelerated pace than natlangs. Verbal forms can (and often do) change in the space of hours or days, while natlang verb forms are a just a tiny bit more stable, taking decades or centuries... And then there are zombie languages, which don't change, because they're dead, but are still used. Sanskrit comes to mind...

kyonides- 08-15-2008

Anyway, it doesn't mean this is the only script used by Alirdisnam and Laysnam... I just need to create it, too.

Dauyn- 08-15-2008

You so ENTIRELY missed the point, Kyonides. I didn't say your conscript or conlang is disingenuous or obnoxious. I said your absolute statement that it won't EVER change is. I also said you didn't have to change it if you liked it, that is just fine. Pay attention and don't be a twit.

kyonides- 08-15-2008

Pay attention and don't be a twit. You, pay attention. It's also valid for the rest of the features of my conlang. The only thing that may change is the number of glyphs. And as I hinted above, no one ask why it wouldn't change. They just criticized and forgot to ask about it. In any case, I'll post the main reason later, but I also mention that it wasn't the only script available at my conworld and it has something to do with their history.

Sano- 08-15-2008

Let's all calm ourselves please. I'm the only twit here, thank you.

Rik- 08-15-2008

If you don't want to change anything, then that's fine. We won't come round to your house and beat you up - we only slaughter kittens and babies on Thursdays. But if you're only posting your work so we can gather round and say happy things about your creative genious, the likely outcome is we'll soon get bored and wander off to look at something else. Short attention spans, etc. The choice of how to present your work and engage with your audience lies mainly in your hands. Think about it, yes? Is it Thursday yet?

Neqitan- 08-15-2008

By the way, people also criticized that my conlang only has regular verbs. Did I change my conlang since then? The answer is no, I didn't. Did they ask why I couldn't do it? No, they didn't. They should ask about the historical background of my conlang, but they never did that ever. You can change whatever you want whenever you want, or not change things at all. You may listen to us or you may not. It's your conlang in the end. Have fun. Is it Thursday yet? Maybe in some countries. When I start thinking about world hours, I just get a headache. Especially when it comes to conlangs, the vast majority of which are always in a state of flux.All languages are in a state of flux, unless dead. :DOh sure, get all technical on me... :) <...> Oh. xD I just didn't read the word "especially". Sanskrit comes to mindLatin comes to mine... I've heard there's an organization lead by the Roman Catholic Church that keeps adding words to the Latin Vocabulary such as bycicle or train, as a standard I think.

Dauyn- 08-15-2008

By the way, people also criticized that my conlang only has regular verbs. Did I change my conlang since then? The answer is no, I didn't. Did they ask why I couldn't do it? No, they didn't. They should ask about the historical background of my conlang, but they never did that ever. The issue we (well, at least me) have is that you're saying you CAN'T change it. It's your conlang, you can do whatever you want - including changing how verbs work, how a squiggle appears, etc. It's not like it's a collaborative project and you have to submit it to other people for approval - you can change whatever you want, whenever you want, to whatever degree you want. Saying you "can't" just looks dumb. Now, saying you WON'T, because you don't want to redo all the cool history you wrote, that led to that particular squiggle or explains why all verb forms are regular, because it's too much work, or too convoluted... Oh, we conlangers SO get that. It happens to all of us, at one point or another. "Do I change this verb form I don't like, and rewrite 300 pages of dictionary and internal history? Hell no!" Of course, a few of us will do it anyway, because we're perfectionists. But it's a valid reason that no one will call you out for. And then there's the other reason - you WON'T change it because you like it the way it is. Even if 4000 other people say it's dumb, or ugly, or whatever, it's YOUR conlang. Do what you want. If you post something for critique, don't get pissed off when people offer critique. Do you get what I'm saying now, Kyonides? EDIT: I speaks English goodly.

kyonides- 08-15-2008

People, calm down, please stop thinking I'm pissed off. I do prefer to be criticized because it's a better feedback than "that's good" or even "that's cute" (too scary for my taste, I guess). I just want you to move on. I don't think it's the only thing that you may like to suggest, but who knows... I don't need to calm down, just because I don't know who said I was angry at all. Pissed off? Nah, I'm just a guy who keeps his words once he defined something about this conlangs, conscripts and conworlds. I guess that's how I establish how my con-creations would look like. (Changes are also a pain in the... he he he, especially because you may not have a reason why something would have changed at all...) Just call it "determination". Actually there was a guy who told me that my conlang was a mere copy of Quenya, which I never learned, I just read the LOTR about 6 years ago, so I don't remember what its structure was at all. I guess I didn't like like many people do nowadays, I may even say I don't find cool he he he. Anyway I do believe Tolkien was a interesting conlanger especially because he was a philologist. Did I listen to that guy? No, I didn't. He did never create or use a single conlang in his entire life, so I don't care if that's the way he thinks about mine. It doesn't mean I didn't revise my conlang just after that happened. Well, I just kept adding new stuff to my conlang instead of changing its whole structure. Unless there is a real proof that there are any important similarities, I won't change that. Why would I? So just keep posting your observations and I'll just check if I need to change something or not, but be sure that many features of this conscript won't change due to its own nature. By the way, does the phrase "I don't care" sound too harsh in English? In Spanish it would depend on the context or if you're yelling at someone, but that isn't the case here. Latin comes to mine... I've heard there's an organization lead by the Roman Catholic Church that keeps adding words to the Latin Vocabulary such as bycicle or train, as a standard I think. Really? So, why do we call Latin Vulgate a dead tongue? I've never seen a dead tongue to include new terms... Maybe we should check the list of dead tongues and see if this is the only exception to the rule.

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